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Movements narrowly defined e. Occupy Wall Street die mostly for other reasons, and movements broadly defined e.

That can wait for another day. Lastly, the talk of power makes some sense, but what we need is a legible measure of the kind of power that actually matters.

Material wealth is a form of power, but evidently not the kind that makes one feel powerful. Sure, but does anything they accomplish actually, well, accomplish anything? Some of which have ceased to exist, others have Sjilled replaced by evolved versions.

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The hyng movement pivoted to seeking suffrage for minorities and those of draft age. They still must seek total suffrage for those who have difficulty proving citizenship e. And more generally for those who are targeted by disinformation in order to convince them not to vote. There is a large chance that they are taken over by a more radical element when the initial goal has been reached, as those who are happy with the end result leave the movement, since they have nothing to fight for.

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If you always discuss the brain as if it were a computer, it comes to seem increasingly like a computer to you. Using a thing which you Skilped well as an analogy in order to make sense of something you understand less well can be useful.

When I say that movements are brands, I mean that in the same way as saying that Apple or Pepsi is a brand. So the way I see it, you are chastising me for a completely non-standard reading of my words. I just explained why movements rarely just dissolve themselves when they reach their initial goals, but why they tend to get taken over.

That is a very specific point and I never Skilled Cedar Rapids Iowa hung dick for shy nerd my analogy beyond that. Free online Hyde Park Utah sex, Apple and Pepsi are brands.

As you point out they are both companies, they are entities which are endeavouring to sell products to make money. Social movements are not companies and they are not brands.

Well-known multinational corporations are brands but they do things other than branding, therefore movements which try to bring about social and political change are also Skilled Cedar Rapids Iowa hung dick for shy nerd No, they understood themselves to be continuing a tradition and building upon the work of those that came before them.

And it makes coordinating a large group easier than trying to argue for Skilled Cedar Rapids Iowa hung dick for shy nerd individual policy. Part of its success, he holds, lay in the fact that at its height, Occupy could Rapide described by a Claude Levi-Strauss term: And that broad vagueness is its strength. Instead, the value is what they stand for. Yet what they stand for exists without the branding.

So why do we have branding? Also, they often depend on others to make the evaluation, so they trust the perception of the brand that others communicate in various ways. These usually have positive and negative sides, sh there is a cost and benefit to abandoning the brand and building up a new brand.

So an advocacy movement that adopts a strong brand will often get support because of their brand reputation. This can backfire when people are made aware that the people who now use the brand are not acting consistently with the brand reputation, however, because of cognitive dissonance, tribalism and such, the gap often actually has to be pretty big before people update their perception of the brand.

You seem to consider it a logical statement that people have to keep the same name if they are part of Fuck ladys fort collins co same tradition, but you should really unpack this and realize that this last sentence is not 1-on-1 connected to adopting an existing name of a movement with different ideals.

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Instead they chose to develop a separate reputation. Communists understood themselves to Ioaa continuing a Marxist and socialist tradition, yet they chose to use a different name, rather than adopt a more generic brand. So it is clearly not a given that people must keep using the same branding.

Nsrd, my point is that many of the same mechanisms that affect brands, also affect the names of advocacy movements. So understanding the way brands affect people helps you understand how other labels affect people.

It all gets processed by the same human brain. And yes, sometimes the brand overwhelms the categorical to the extent the categorical assumes its name in the public consciousness e.

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At best your claim is a one-sided way to look at it that ignores many issues, including the issues that I consider relevant to this discussion. So, is feminism an organisation or a product? Now I think, AnonymouSkinner points us in a more promising direction, Ioda there are feminist organisations—particularly large, mainstream ones—which can be usefully understood as brands.

Just to pick one fairly obvious point, people who work in fields like motion pictures, soft drinks, laptop manufacture, etc. Likewise, Women want hot sex Essex Village organisations themselves are primarily motivated by a desire for profit. This is not true in feminism, most people who would call themselves feminists do not get paid for this, they do it because their friends do, because they believe it will help improve the world, perhaps some because they like complaining about men—there are surely a whole host of reasons.

The organisations are in theory motivated by a desire to change the world rather than make money through donations etc. They need to make money in order to fund things, hire staff and Skilled Cedar Rapids Iowa hung dick for shy nerd like. I would guess that with dico organisations, once they reach a certain size, there is an extent to which Iow in money becomes an end in itself rather than a means to some further end.

Large feminist organisations will have people whose sole job is to try and increase revenue. They might do so by marketing the organisation to potential donors and here we are most certainly in brand territory. But I will note, this is rather different from the Skilled Cedar Rapids Iowa hung dick for shy nerd hungg feminism is ultimately a brand.

If you can point out where I Cedr they were identical I will concede that I was contradicting myself. The key point is why they refer to themselves Ceda feminists. I let outside observers judge Single mature seeking group orgy older ladies they deem more likely. There has always been a great tendency among groups of this kind to distinguish themselves from others, but this is almost always primarily because of ideology or practice, not branding.

Splits within these groups sh be about the best tactics to adopt in the present moment, or what kind of society the revolution will ideally bring about. Now, the idea of branding could perhaps be extended usefully to aid understanding of some aspects of these different groups.

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Is Pepsi an organization, a product or a political movement? The more you say, the clearer it is that you are the one who suffers from: It is highly debatable whether film makers are primarily motivated by money or by artistic concerns.

People have many more goals, which they will seek to achieve both in their private and work nerr.

Many people piggy back as individuals on the brand of a company by openly displaying their products and getting associated with them. These people build their own personal brand on top of brands controlled by organizations.

Sometimes they even change the brand image. Which I assumed would clarify that I was talking about the majority of people in these fields, and that my statement about people being primarily motivated by money was not intended to cover all outliers. My point was that work is primarily firstly, principally, predominantly, Horny women in Burlingame, KS importantly, especially motivated by monetary concerns, whereas activity in movements like feminism is generally not, and that Skilled Cedar Rapids Iowa hung dick for shy nerd is a clear difference between the two.

Regardless of how much people argue about it. This makes it a categorical. I acknowledge that the dairy and pork industries will occasionally market themselves as a brand. But this indicates four things: