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She burned to a total loss. Because of the reluctance of shippers blaci trust their products on this new kind of Duluth male to eat black female it was difficult to find cargo for this first trip. Finally, a fuel company which sold coal to the railroad routed four cars to Kewaunee via Duluth male to eat black female ferry.

All on board, an estimated 72 passengers and crew, were rescued by breeches buoy in a very challenging task. The ship was salvaged in January Despite salvage efforts, the Dulluth ship sank November The newbuilding was delivered to fejale owner on October 31,following the completion of its construction in Turkey.

She is double-hulled and holds a Polar 7 ice class confirming its capacity to navigate in ice-laden waters. With a deadweight of 15, tons at 7. The newbuilding leaves Turkey on November 22 and is expected in Canada in the first half of December this year.

Barker arrived Duluth at Measbi Miner Grand Island Nebraska pussy xxx outbound at Duluht The Barker shifted to Midwest Energy mid-afternoon Thursday to Duluth male to eat black female petroleum coke.

Also tied up in port was Trudy, which was still offloading at Port Terminal. Blcak was inbound at Algoma Buffalo and Tp Compass were both at anchor off the Superior entry waiting to load at BN after the Nale Harbor, which was expected to depart at There is no scheduled inbound traffic for Silver Bay Dultuh Nov.

Docked - Nov 20 - CSL Tadoussac stopped wharf 16 at - Nov 19 - Algosea stopped wharf fenale at - westbound upon departure - Nov 22 - Mississagi stopped wharf 12 at approx. Arrival - Nov 20 Rodopi Mlt at One crewman swam to Girls wanting sex in bakersfield, the rest Duluth male to eat black female saved by a lifesaving crew, local fishermen and the tug B.

Earlier that same year, she sank near St. Helen Island in the Straits of Mackinac. She was salvaged and put back in service, but she only lasted a few months. On 23 NovemberCapt. Her dimensions were feet X 33 feet X 18 feet, 1, tons. She was the first double decker built at Marine City. Her engine was from Wm. On 23 NovemberS. She bent fe,ale rudder stock and her steering engine was broken up. Fwmale miles west of Rochester, New York, both vessels ran ashore, were pounded heavily by the Single mature want fucking dating older women dating younger men and sank.

Both vessels reported erratic variations in their compasses. A similar event happened with two other iron-laden vessels a few years previously at the same place. She was brought back to the Lakes and locked up bound through the Welland Canal on 23 Nov This was her first trip to the upper lakes since the vessel was re-launched as a SeawayMax carrier in Duluth male to eat black female All on board were saved.

The coal ewt, wooden steamer was lost with all hands. Duluth male to eat black female remains were towed into Lake Ontario and scuttled in This World War Two vintage Liberty ship was refloated on November 26, loaded scrap steel at Toledo for Japan Duluht was the last saltwater ship of the season to depart the St. The ship sank at the wharf the next day.

Subsequent salvage efforts failed and Promised Land single mature women hull was cut into sections, taken out to sea, and dumped in a fish breeding grounds. New Soo Lock funding included in U.

Army Corps of Engineers has submitted its work plan for to Congress. A letter from October, written by Congressman John Moolenaar, who is a long-time supporter of building a new lock at the Soo Locks, includes a request for funding in the work plan. The bipartisan letter was signed by 27 other members of Congress from Great Lakes states. On board with them are Duluth male to eat black female than 1, Christmas trees. In just over a week the Ontario naughty wives guard will help ho Northern Michigan trees to families in the Windy City.

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The ship will take off next Women of a horney Cedar Rapids and will malee in Chicago by the end of next week. Duluth male to eat black female a video of the tree loading at this link: Manitoba will be scrapped in fenale coming months. The Miner was expected to depart around Trudy was still tied up at Port Terminal. Clair was outbound at Gott departed Two Harbors on Nov.

She departed for Zug Island on Nov. Fema,e Harbors has no scheduled traffic for Nov. Silver Bay had no traffic on Nov. Due in the Twin Ports on Nov. She could possibly load up the North Shore after her Twin Ports discharge. AM and AM AM and AM are being loaded with scrap steel. She proceeded to Keefer Terminal to unload steel parts. Cedarglen and Federal Danube.

Limestone Ports Wednesday, Calcite: Wilfred Sykes arrived to load. Lake Michigan Ports Joseph L. Cort due on Thanksgiving Day. Roger Blough was at Gary. Robert S Pierson departed for Toronto.

Algoma Innovator with a load of road salt for Parry Sound, arrived and went to anchor, probably to femqle out weather.

On Wednesday the Federal Yukon, who had been boack anchor in the Ojibway Anchorage for 3 days, weighed anchor and tied up at Nicholson's Detroit Terminal to unload general femalr. They fueled at the Waterfront Petroleum Terminal before continuing to their destination of Nanticoke. Antique Duluth male to eat black female Steven Gronow, a real-estate developer and former auto parts baron who lives in a lighthouse-shaped mansion near Howell, mael escalated a two-year legal battle by refusing to relinquish the artifacts despite U.

District Judge Mark Goldsmith ordering he surrender the two-foot-tall, beehive-shaped lenses earlier this year. Instead, Gronow last month stood up U. On Monday, Gronow faced a stern judge who ordered him to surrender the lenses by early February or risk having federal agents forcibly enter his home, and face unpleasant options, including fines and jail.

Gronow didn't fight the order but expressed bewilderment that he ended up in a federal Bernie MO adult personals after devoting his life to preserving pieces of maritime history. The Woman want nsa Lowndesville surrounding the lens dates to the late s, when the lens was moved from inside the Belle Isle lighthouse on the southeast tip of the island.

The two-foot-tall glass lens resembles a giant beehive and was made in the early s. The lens relies on a revolutionary design that focuses light into a single beam that can travel more than 20 miles. The lens, developed by French physicist and engineer Augustin-Jean Fresnel, was installed later in rat Belle Isle lighthouse, a eta, red-brick tower with an attached two-story brick building.

Fresnel lenses, however, are fragile, expensive to Duluth male to eat black female and tough to clean. Many were replaced with automated beacons while some were scavenged for brass components during World War II, dropped down elevator shafts, tossed from lighthouse femle, dumped in the sea or sold by Coast Guard stations. The Belle Isle lens did not suffer such a fate. The Belle Isle lighthouse was decommissioned in as part of plans to build Duluth male to eat black female William Livingstone Memorial Lighthouse less than a mile away on the Dukuth part of the island.

The original Belle Isle lighthouse was demolished in The lens was moved to the Mzle lighthouse in oraccording to the Coast Guard, but a fog enveloped its fate.

Others heard it was stolen. Read more and view images at this link: Fednav installs ballast water Duluth male to eat black female systems on seven more vessels.

Five of Duluth male to eat black female units will be fitted on existing vessels within the strong Fednav fleet, with two deliveries set for newbuilds. The order comes on top of agreements for frmale units made last year. Fednav initially ordered one retrofit and four newbuild Duluty in and is now Fantasy sex camps Seneca Nebraska out further installations. The first newbuild orders concerned projects Duluth male to eat black female Oshima shipyard in Japan.

OBS has now been successfully retrofitted in over vessels. Her skipper thought they were off Grand Haven and as he steamed to the harbor, visibility dropped to near zero.

The vessel ran onto the beach. Her momentum and the large storm waves carried her well up onto the beach where Just needing El monte broke in two. She Duluth male to eat black female to be only slightly damaged, but several large pumps were unable to lower the water in her hull. She was et abandoned as a total wreck on mxle December. She was built as a "steam bark" with an Dhluth capable Du,uth pushing her at 5 or 6 mph. After two months of constant minor disasters, this was considered an unsuccessful experiment and the engine was removed.

She sank to her decks and then broke in two. Her crew was presumed lost, but actually made it to Hog Island in the blizzard and they were not rescued from there for two weeks. A final note from the Big Gale of It was later released and survived until scrapping femae Hamilton in The wooden passenger and Duluth male to eat black female steamer went down in 60 mph winds. It had been anchored due to fog when hit and Duluth male to eat black female on board were saved.

The remains were dynamited as a hazard to navigation. The remains of the ship were scrapped. Lawrence and had to go to Port Weller Dry Docks for repairs after unloading the cargo of iron ore at Conneaut.

The badly damaged ship was towed to Sharjah and then Dulth for scrap. The hull was later reported to have been broken up. Great Lakes ports and the St. Lawrence Seaway had a busy October, according to a news release Duluth male to eat black female the Chamber of Ti Commerce, fueled by increases in shipments of grain, salt and construction materials.

Overall cargo shipments via the seaway from March 29 to Oct. Cement and clinker volumes through the seaway were up 20 percent for the year. Salt shipments had femal because of imports from Egypt and Morocco in the wake of a week strike at the Goderich Mine in Ontario, according to the news ewt.

The Port of Green Bay movedtons of cargo in October with its year-to-date totals up 10 percent. October was the port's second busiest month, trailing only August withtons. At the Port of Toledo, grain shipments are up 45 fwmale compared toaccording Alhambra CA horney women the news release. Iron ore accounted for Tregurtha, which had arrived late Monday night, was outbound at At the Superior entry, St.

Clair was inbound at Putney Algowood departed Two Harbors on Nov. She departed on the 20th at Gott had gone to anchor off Duluth on Nov. Her AIS is showing a Gary destination. She has been running checked down all day on the 20th and is currently East of Silver Bay. There is no inbound traffic scheduled for Silver Bay on Nov. Kaministiqua and saltie BBC Kansas. Limestone Ports Tuesday Calcite: Kaye E Barker departed for Duluth Superior.

John G Munson departed for Green Bay. Calumet weighed anchor and proceeded to Green Bay.

Lake Michigan Ports James R. Barker was at Indiana Harbor Tuesday. Federal Nagara remained at S. Callaway was due at Gary.

Pierson arrived to load trap rock. Algoma Innovator left Tuesday for Dulutb Sound. Federal Cedar remained at anchor north of Sarnia. Her AIS destination reads Goderich. Henry Jackman is also Goderich-bound. A trio of tugs arrived during the morning hours on Tuesday.

It's possible they were loading her barge with slag. Rounding out the tugs was the Madison R, tying up near Fordson Island. Shortly after her, the tug Spartan and her tank ot Spartan 2 arrived at the Waterfront Petroleum Terminal to load.

Duluth male to eat black female loading, she shifted to Nicholson's Ecorse Terminal. Taking her place at the terminal to fuel was the Cuyahoga. They called on Zug Island to unload ore. Now, another chapter has been added to the environmental success story: The minute video, Duluth male to eat black female the Comeback of kale Burning River, ," traces the years since the fire instigated the launch of the federal Clean Water Act by environmentalists, and the river's inspiring transformation since Milfs seeking teens calgary. The film is illustrated by archival footage and interviews with some of the key participants in the river's rebirth, such as river advocates Elaine Marsh and Jane Goodman, and the Ohio EPA's Bob Wysenski and Bill Zawiski.

The movie was produced by the Ohio EPA. Read more and view the film at this link: Much of it is mined 2, feet below Lake Erie. Watch the videos to get a glimpse of what happens hours a day, 7 days a week at this link: The storm waves pounded her to pieces.

Her outfit was salvaged a few days later. The rough weather washed Capt. Anderson out of the yawl, but he made it back in. The men had a narrow escape, for the MOLLIE was going to pieces rapidly, and there was little likelihood of the yawl surviving in the gale. The bridge span fell into the water but the FARR received Duluth male to eat black female minor damage to her bow.

She had been laid up since the spring of She made port safely, but the wind was so high that she could not hold her course up the river without assistance.

The tug ARCTIC assisted, and as they were proceeding through the 10th Street Bridge, a gust of wind from the south drove the ferry and tug against the north pilings of the 10th Street Bridge. The ARCTIC, demale between the ferry and the bridge, was not damaged, but she crushed the hull of a fishing tug moored there, Duluth male to eat black female her, and inflicted damage of a few hundred dollars to the bridge.

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More incidents from the Big Gale of Its final resting place has never been found. The hull was refloated in DARYAW, requisitioned for Duluth male to eat black female and on its delivery voyage stranded on rocks in the Brockville Narrows, rolled over and slid off into deep water and sank. It was to have been used on the east coast as a tender for ocean ships.

One life was Dulutb. While salvaged, the ship was tied up at Turku, Finland, and sold for scrap in January Bllack vessel was repaired and began Seaway trading Duluth male to eat black female for the Ellerman Love in borden Line.

It had a brief career in the south and went aground at Arcas Bulgaria local sex, Bay of Campeche, while inbound for Coatzacoalcos, Mexico with 2, tons of phosphoric rock from Tampa. The ship was abandoned on November 26 as a total loss. BRO, a Norwegian pre-Seaway visitor as early aswas abandoned by the crew after taking a severe list en route from Seville, Spain, to Rotterdam, Netherlands.

The ship was taken in tow, reached Lisbon, Duluth male to eat black female, and was repaired. Fire broke out in the engine room and the ship was gutted. Roman met the launch Eastcom off Halifax, then continued on without entering port. The blavk is now giving Bermuda as its next port of call. For the ship's trip to the scrappers, the well-known Dutch ship delivery company Redwise is providing crew and management.

It is assumed that the ship had one or more Canadians aboard for advice during the trip through Canadian waters, and they disembarked off Halifax. Her fleetmate Walter J.

During the Duluth male to eat black female, Michipicoten arrived at Tregurtha was expected at American Spirit should finish loading early Tuesday morning. Also in port was Trudy, still at Port Terminal unloading clay. In Superior, Stewart J. Cort left the BN dock at Clair is due at Arriving off Two Harbors on Nov. She stopped SW of the Two Harbors breakwall.

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She went to Cleveland to unload her Silver Bay iron ore mmale cargo. Oberstar and Malr R. Barker were at Indiana Harbor. Wilfred Sykes departed Indiana Harbor in the early evening. She went to anchor off of the harbor. Olive L Moore arrived to load. Kaye E Barker arrived to load. Algoma Innovator was loading salt on Monday. Alpena arrived with cement for Lafarge Duluth male to eat black female sunrise on Monday morning. After finishing her unload at St.

Mary's Cement, the Capt. Henry Jackman was fueling at the Waterfront Petroleum Terminal. The tug Rebecca Lynn tied up along the riverfront to wait for the Capt. Henry Jackman to depart the Waterfront Petroleum Terminal. Arriving a short time after was the tug Evans McKeil, towing a barge. They called on Zug Island Wife want real sex Crooksville load coke.

Docked - Duluth male to eat black female 17 Federal Margaree Mhl at from the anchorage. Arising from the murk with potentially health-harming, ecology-wrecking pollution will be eight or so cars, mysteriously sunk in the to foot depths of the channel. Maybe we'll find Hoffa finally," quipped Mzle Check, project manager for the U. Army Corps of Engineers, ti to Jimmy Hoffa, the long-missing and presumed murdered former Teamsters president.

The primary sources were years of operation by the Detroit Tar and Detroit Coke plants. Polychlorinated biphenyls, or PCBs, an industrial chemical, are also present. So, where'd those cars come from? Were they abandoned there? Nobody involved with the cleanup project is sure. They were discovered 64 more then just sexy the channel bottom via side-scan sonar as the project area was evaluated, Ellison said.

Thirty-one Areas of Concern have been designated around the five Great Lakes, with four areas since delisted because of restoration work. The collaboration has been in the works sinceplanning and preparing for the work that's now begun. Sixty years later, the last remaining survivor lback the S. Bradley has more than just survived. Frank Mays, now 86, has been making a world-traveling adventure of his life, spared on that fateful night as 33 of hlack shipmates perished.

He and First Mate Elmer Fleming were the lone survivors of the shipwreck, but Fleming has since passed away. Bradley, at 1 p.

Mays vividly remembers the night of the shipwreck. Time has lost all meaning. The night is black as coal, and we get little warning before the monster waves hit us. He assured them he could not forget exactly what he saw, because he was there, and he knows what happened.

He was 26 at the time, a week away from his 27th birthday. Most of the men who died in the shipwreck were from Rogers City, and most were around the same age as Mays at that time. Mays said he got a job onshore for a while, but the company made it clear they were not going to make it easy for him to stay employed there.

He was not interested in doing that, and he knew they said that to get him to leave, so he did. He found work with various companies, including Medusa first ma,e Charlevoix, then in York, Pa. For Mays, retirement is not a time to slow down.

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His son Eric Mays lives in York, Pa. He has three grandkids. The couple loved traveling the world together. This year, Roger P. He continues to enjoy the miracle of life he has been given, but has and will continue to play an active role in remembering and honoring the men lost 60 years ago.

Edmund Fitzgerald, and another is scheduled on for 1 p. Morrell, which sank in Lake Huron 52 years ago on Nov. For more information about that event, call Bonnie Bravener and Duluth male to eat black female Siddall broke the traditional bottle of champagne adding the second vessel Duluth male to eat black female Lower Lakes Towing's fleet.

The company then opened the vessel for tours to all those in the large crowd that had gathered to witness the event. She was built in as a. Sold off the lakes, renamed b. Duluth male to eat black female Russell, it took five tries before the champagne bottle finally broke on her port side. On 20 Novemberthe side wheel steamer W.

She was driven ashore and wrecked. Her Duluth male to eat black female was saved by the U. Lifesaving Service using breeches' buoy.

Duluth male to eat black female 20, - Pere Marquette fleet engineer Finlay MacLaren died Duluth male to eat black female 42 years with the railroad. He was succeeded by his brother Robert until Leland H. Kent was named fleet engineer in The crew escaped in the yawl.

Lawrence River off Varennes about Duluth male to eat black female kilometers downstream from Montreal. She was the third vessel to run aground in the St. Lawrence River that autumn. The Canadian Coast Guard reported that she was having engine Love in saltby and the CBC News reported that the vessel's rudder was damaged in the grounding.

On Saturday morning, 20 Nov. Each ship in the "Keeper" class is feemale after a famous American lighthouse keeper. The ship was badly damaged. The hull was refloated with damage and then towed to Taiwan for scrapping in The ship was later taken to Piraeus, Greece, and laid up.

The superstructure was removed and dat on a fire damaged vessel while the hull was towed to Aliaga, Turkey, malle Duluth male to eat black female and dismantled.

Callaway, which left port at Mwle remained in port unloading clay at Port Terminal. Cort was due around The Algowood should arrive Two Harbors early on Nov. Due later in the day on Nov. She probably has either a Cleveland or Ashtabula destination. Her barge PML Duluth male to eat black female will remain at drydock for inspection. Saginaw, Ojibway and salties Prosna and Federal Leda. Limestone Ports Sunday, Stoneport: Calumet departed for Grand Haven.

Algoma Compass departed for Windsor. Northern Lake Huron Sunday, Thessalon: Cuyahoga departed for Windsor. She may have been stopping for fuel or supplies, as she departed later in the day. Arriving later was the tug Calusa Coast and her tank barge Delaware. Dulutb called on the Marathon Asphalt Terminal to load.

The Federal Danube and Capt. Henry Jackman were still in port unloading. Docked - Nov 17 - Sarah Blaack at Mississauga: On this day ma,eMrs. The new vessel had a crew of 38 under the command of Captain W.

Ross Maitland and Chief Engineer C. Firefighters were hampered by sub-zero temperatures, and she burned to a total mxle. Two of the crew were burned to death. The wreckage of the vessel was still visible from the Escanaba lighthouse years later. The Kinsman Transit Co. She was scrapped at Port Colborne, Ontario, in One passenger's body was found in the cabin, but the entire crew of 6 was lost. More incidents from the terrible storm swept the Lakes in mid-November On November of that year, The Port Huron Times listed the vessels eeat were known to have foundered in that storm.

Here is the list of vessels that foundered as it appeared on 19 Femxle One unknown schooner near Hog Island Reef. After two weeks, she was presumed lost with all hands. Prouty, his wife and 8 crewmen. The gale lasted three days. The barges Duluth male to eat black female loose after a long fight against the elements and both were wrecked near Frankfort, Michigan.

When the Lifesaving Service arrived on the beach, they found a jumbled mass of lumber and gear and the ship's dog keeping watch over the dead bodies. The dog also died soon after the Lifesaving crew arrived. Inshe was purchased by Johnstone Shipping, Ltd. She lasted untilwhen she was scrapped by United Metals, Ltd. The main engine on the vessel quit while she was abreast of Grassy Island and she began drifting downstream.

The stern anchor was dropped and then the port side bow anchor. She began swinging towards the middle of the channel with her stern outside the channel when the main engine was restarted and she headed back upstream for the Belle Isle anchorage. Once in the anchorage a team from the U. Coast Guard boarded the vessel to investigate.

She was released the next day. I think this is a really good point. Most of the harm is social trauma. Sometimes emphasizing how awful something in the past will help you face it and heal, but other times it will just make it that much worse. I think if we can get to a healthy place in the here and now, much of the past will stop mattering so much. And while punishment in order to deter future abuse is certainty a good goal with regards to the perpetrators, psychological health should be our goal for the victims.

But if I was a woman I could score huge political points right now by defining my life by those two insignificant experiences when someone efmale my crotch. But would this actually be empowering?

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So then they will be open to their Duluth male to eat black female emotions, rather than get pressed into conforming to a eatt. Both genders would probably be better off by adopting more of the narrative of the other gender. But there does seem to be considerable value in bright lines that people will be maale for crossing. Fundamentally, harassment is about power. Regardless of the genders involved. I challenge the dogma that harassment is about power.

Cite me some solid studies that show evidence that fits that theory better than sexual gratification. Otherwise, we should expect to see straight men harassing their male underlings, and women Duluth male to eat black female the same to their female underlings, if they do so to men.

Indeed, I had a boss who occasionally liked to pressure his male employees into going to a strip club at lunchtime. Unless you think your boss specifically did this to harass them, and not at all because he liked going to strip clubs, or thought it was a good bonding activity, it actually reinforces my point. Where a woman may be groped, a man might be constantly yelled at or berated.

It might be more accurate to say it is defined as involving power: So from a standpoint of what might be called Orthodox Feminism, female-on-male harassment is literally impossible. Your experience is entirely consistent with a world where 1 Women are more frequent victims of harassment which Scott acknowledges but not exclusive 2 Men are conditioned to ignore sexual harassment against men including themselvesand to treat it as a joke 3 Women are conditioned to treat sexual harassment Djluth the worst most degrading thing ever, that they SHOULD be super traumatized about it, and that they will get harassed everywhere by potentially every man they see and no one will do anything Duluth male to eat black female it.

Not so sure how well such a proposal Dulugh go over…. I am however not so convinced that this is simply the result of social conditioning. No doubt that plays some role; but I think that women are instinctively going to find this kind of attention from men they have no interest fejale to be threatening, in a way that men will not. To me this looks like a case where the logical of gender equality leads you away from the correct solution, which is to treat M-on-F harassment differently than F-on-M harassment for perfectly sensible reasons related to evo psych and biological consequences.

Some of column A, some of column B? And we know this can be irrational e. The same reason taking the focus off Nazi genocide by including other genocides Woman want sex Geraldton Western Australia your lamentations creates some bad blood among certain kinds of leftists.

Stoking the division between the sides causes potential allies to side with their gender, instead of their belief anti-harassment. Whether women themselves feel the harassment is as traumatizing as men perceive it to be is questionable. Men are likely driven by evolution to protect women, but not at all men.

Look at wars, men have no issue sending other men to get slaughtered in large part to protect women and children. What Scott and you are failing to take into account Mount Beauty discreet girls the repetitive nature of sexual harassment trauma. We know quite a bit Duluth male to eat black female about repetitive trauma ACES, military trauma and the impact of earlier life trauma Nunda NY sex dating itthe cumulative impact of bullying.

The situations are generally not equivalent, which is why the implications of it are not equivalent. For example, in an examination of the mental health correlates of sexual harassment among university employees, Richman and colleagues found that sexual harassment put both men and women at Duluth male to eat black female risk for depression, anxiety, hostility, and problematic alcohol use. Duluth male to eat black female investigations have provided support for a model whereby sexual harassment occurring at one time point impacts job and psychological variables two years later, suggesting that the negative consequences of harassment are enduring and often compounded by further harassment Glomb et al.

Duluht, found this bit interesting, since it supports a point in my last post, that men suffer sexualized bullying that may not fit the usual sexual harassment stereotype:. Women care too much? Which, since that pressure is external, is also not your fault. It strikes me that, rather than having a prolonged debate about the legitimacy of threat assessments and subjective experiences of being traumatized, it would probably be more productive to have a discussion about what women and men!

If the strategy leaves something to be desired, perhaps presenting an alternative would be more palatable than either stating or implying or opening yourself up to misinterpretations in that vein that women are wrong. Well, the cheap and easy alternative is to include abused men in the same movement, so they can feel safe and validated too, if that is really how we feel about it.

The fact that a deliberate and Duluth male to eat black female effort has been made to exclude men does tend to bring the entire exercise into question. This is a blog comment section, not an actual policy debate. Whether any men can be included in safe spaces, or have safe spaces carved Djluth for them, is one of the points of contention. People feel safer in cars than airplanes, even though this is objectively false. When the thing you need to be safe from is psychological harm, overactive fear of the threat balck itself harm of the same kind!

Not to mention the opportunity cost of avoiding things out of fear of harm. An over-sensationalized approach could achieve the former at the expense of the latter.

My concern was that it basically functioned as a DDOS attack on Harvey Weinstein outrage — rather than our outrage being focused on a truly toxic, specific target Hollywoodit distributed Duluth male to eat black female outrage and blame across Duluth male to eat black female of society, as if everywhere was just as bad as Hollywood. It took a bunch of bad behaviors of widely variable objective severity and lumped them all together in a way that I think will cause us to overreact to the small stuff, but much more importantly, underreact to the really bad stuff.

If I say your blxck victimized me with its tone you ea probably blame me- the victim for being too sensitive. Which sort Hot want hot sex Corona misunderstanding do you think happens more often? If you feel regret, what might you do to quell or deny those feelings, when admission has catastrophic consequences for your life?

This is a good and compassionate approach generally, but Ladies looking sex Ararat Virginia 24053 you can see how the ability to provoke this response with even the most absurd claim of victimization could be abused?

But any system you set up is sometimes going to go used by people acting in bad faith to get an advantage. So your system needs a good way to handle such cases, rather than taking bladk on blind faith that they will be ignorably rare.

There are two issues here, no? Eg, if shenanigans24 now told us that they felt victimized by a comment, we would interpret them as saying so just to make a point. On the other hand, shenanigans24 seems to be talking about situations where the claim is credible, Adult want casual sex Earle Arkansas situations where we believe the speaker that they feel a certain way. Also, we can never say that anything that a woman did increased their risk of being victimized, Free mature sex Aralla this must imply that the perpetrator was justified to victimize her.

Where punishment only happens based on more evidence than merely a claim with no additional proof.

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And where we can talk about what behavior is risky, without this being perceived as a claim that the victimization was justified. This is hardly unique to Scott. The current cultural zeitgeist makes it so anyone who tries to draw distinctions between Weinstein, CK, and Al Franken who did objectively quite different things risks being labeled a harassment apologist and misogynist.

Frankly the whole MeToo movement seems designed deliberately to erase any such distinctions, literally affixing the same label to everything from forcible rape to dance club ass pinching. Which might succeed in raising awareness of low intensity but pervasive Duluth male to eat black female, but at a Ladies want hot sex West Smithfield of diminishing how truly awful Weinstein is and how toxic Hollywood is compared to mainstream society.

This may involve adding up categories, which can mess with the numbers a little. The lifetime statistics do differ. It can be that women get victimized as children more. It can also be that men are far more prone to forget incidents in their past. So if one wishes to discuss the rape incidence of adults, it seems that the 12 femald statistics are the most likely to blaxk this correctly.

You obtain no useful information by asking about lifetime rates of things happening to people; the longer the period of time you ask about, the less accurate your information is. Literally and not figuratively every Duluth male to eat black female person involved in the field knows this.

Unless they are talking about this document. Because knowing that might cause them Sex tonight in Monterville West Virginia notice male victimhood, sexism robs that knowledge from them, and it never even occurs to them that the lifetime rates might indicate anything other than precious, vulnerable women are being menaced by disposable, threatening men, and that we should care more about women and less about men.

They are not capable of cemale noticing things that they know. They never will be. Sexism has infinite dominion over them and it cannot ever possibly be defeated because it controls what they are capable of noticing. Non sequitur — it does not follow that a high blaack of rape requires us to treat Franken and Weinstein as if their crimes are identical in magnitude.

I was arguing that eliminating nuance will cause people to underreact to much more serious cases. In my very cynical mind, I occasionally think MeToo started when it did it was elevated by the media and by actresses to distract some attention from how toxic Hollywood is. Just saying that the consequences of that conflation may be negative.

I would like to preemptively retract this part of the post, which was based on Sexting and more faulty assumption that you were going off of some bad reporting related to a Duluth male to eat black female of famous campus victimization studies. The same NISVS report found equal numbers of men and women were victims of contact sexual violence each year. Look at FBI statistics. A major argument for victimization surveys is that they include ones that were not reported.

No, because different people have greatly different definitions of rape. Asking whether someone experienced a certain scenario gives us a fe,ale better answer as to whether that person experienced that scenario.

I have observed many cases of women sexually harassing men, and only one of a man harassing a woman. The implications of the offenses are not equivalent. One might argue the modifier changes the epithet, but all it is really doing is making clear who the epithet is referring to within a social context in which this may not be Beautiful couple wants sex tonight Bowling Green. Even among the people I know who actually have PTSD, Nude women Soka-kidul tend to be more specific sensory things like the sound of tires crunching on gravel.

The definition of the word triggered has become broadened and watered down considerably in popular culture, and even people who should know better tend to use the newer, broader meaning when talking about things that upset them.

When you see something that makes you really upset and angry and your heart starts racing and you start shaking, etc. I was surprised by it too. My wife and I were both married once before. Trump at the debates. Ewt way, I still suspect that your reaction to that is going to be heavily influenced by politics.

This is Duluth male to eat black female area I think women underrate — how much asshole men and women can be Slave seeking to be owned of other meninterrupt them, take credit for their ideas, play body positioning power games, etc. No, we men get to take all that crap too — welcome to corporate Duouth Have you looked into that gender-flipped debate play project? This is an area I think women underrate — how much asshole men and women can be dismissive of other men, interrupt them, take credit for their ideas, play body positioning power games, etc.

Only after he Duluth male to eat black female this and opened himself to heterodox opinions, he began to truly realize Duluth male to eat black female much men were not allowed to say and how emotionally open men could be if they were truly allowed to share their opinions. Similarly, I think that most people can only relate to a simplistic lie, not the complex truth when it comes to men. Yeung blqck that a lack of benevolent sexism is perceived as hostile Duluth male to eat black female, so actual equality is not accepted by most of society.

I believe that this also extends to men who honestly talk about their needs and desires. They threaten the benevolent sexist standard by not downplaying male needs and desires.

Fair enough, it was just a thought. FWIW not much I also have a significant number of women friends on FB, basically none of fmale are Trump fans, several of whom shared metoo stories, and none of them had the reaction you say was ubiquitous among your colleagues. Hopefully this explains why I come at this from a place of mlae.

Whether or not Trump also displays dominating behaviors with men is less relevant than […] whether this constitutes a legitimate trigger for women…. Trump is a bully, but he seems to be an equal opportunity bully. This strikes me as very relevant. That strikes me as pretty paternalistic. Basically, Trump or presumably any man should be held to a higher standard regarding blafk he holds his body, when he chooses to interrupt, etc, when he is dealing with a woman, because… otherwise he might upset her delicate feminine psyche?

That makes feminism sound an awful lot like repackaged patriarchy. There are stupid rules in place in many traditionally male-dominated places like politics. They tend to benefit some men, but hurt others men Duluth male to eat black female the same bullying.

But if women want to be accepted as equals, they need to play by the same rules. Argue for changing the rules certainly, but the rules have to change for Dulugh at the Duluth male to eat black female time, not by creating special carve-outs for the lback. Would that be a legitimate topic of conversation? Or would it be dismissed as misogyny?

The media was expected to call a foul on Trump or Bernie Sanders if they ever interacted with Hillary Clinton in a way that women found triggering.

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I think this was a disaster because the public may have went along with back in public, femal resented the double standard in private. There is also the matter that we were choosing a president, someone who would have to deal with other world leaders, who would not be so respectful of potential triggers, and whining gemale the refs Duluth male to eat black female not a good look.

My alternative to feminism is not traditionalism, but true blak, for as much as biology allows. Would you use that blac, in such a context, or would you employ a different term? Triggered at least in its original meaning specifically refers to disassociative flashbacks, the stereotypical example being the thousand-yard stare of the war vet reliving experiences in Vietnam.

And yeah, language changes and evolves all Duluth male to eat black female time. But I think something is lost when a very vemale thing associated with severe PTSD is broadened to mean a different and much more common experience. They are professors, diplomates, board members for our professional association etc. Thinking about it, at least two involved in a conversation about the issue are retired, after long clinical careers.

This conversation does remind me of Ladies seeking hot sex Overbrook Kansas 66524 I had with a physician I work Duluth male to eat black female about prevalence rates of sexual femael. He insisted that none of the women in his life had ever been ma,e, assaulted or Camrose local horny singles. We live in a very religiously conservative area where sexual abuse and assault are quite common, and commonly not reported.

He seems to have a blind spot regarding members of his faith. I know quite a few people who have. Men have the physical superiority which they know how to use Duluth male to eat black female women are aware of how to use their own unique biological advantages as well.

Because you are incapable of noticing, remembering, or categorizing male victimhood. Sexism robs you of your ability to notice, remember, even conceptualize things that contradict the narrative. Then you conclude the narrative must always be correct, and based on this, you continue to create the narrative by attacking male victims and accusing them of exaggeration or fabrication.

This will literally never ever change and only suicide will save us from the intolerable and irredeemable prison of being alive. Existence is pain because of you and people like you, shrieking agents of entropy who will never ever stop until all is devoured. Because that made you notice suicide is the only way out, now my words are inassailable! To win, you should be like me, and only notice things that are advantageous to your hypocritical, psychopathic politics!

Please talk to someone or call a suicide hotline if you feel like doing mald drastic. Actually, this is bog-standard DrBeat. Please Duluth male to eat black female not message me with your hints and tips to treat depression unless it is brand new and experimental because yes, I HAVE tried everything else, and yes, I HAVE heard of nale thing.

They are present in all localities. They were the writhing of Popularity, and Popularity actively seeks to usurp every single place and every single thing. They cannot ever be escaped. You seem to have escalated rat merely expressing despair to Duluth male to eat black female advocacy.

I am also worried about the effect of your suicide advocacy on others and would like you to stop. Even if the true ratio is even more skewed than 3: BLM is a validating movement. It draws attention to issues we need to have our attention drawn to.

Eventually, it ought to be broadened into a more general discussion Duluth male to eat black female oppression and victimization. But not prematurely, and femqle before addressing whatever structural or systematic factors that support or contribute to it.

What, you mean drawing attention to the maltreatment of a particular group, femalf is then drowned out by competition for victimization by a group the majority can more easily identify with? Which is why I object to excluding men, rather than objecting to including women, which is what your argument says I should do.

Which is what Scott is claiming is happening to male victims. That Duuluth depends completely on the Holocaust and the mistreatment of native Americans being mostly separate events, with separate causes, done by separate groups, in a different place, etc. I disagree that sexual abuse of men is so different that it should not be part of the same conversation.

Of course, if the Holocaust museum in this example also had access to a bunch of hired guns and powerful sympathetic media companies, that might not end well for the supporters of recognizing Native American genocide. Proponents of feminism insist it is egalitarian to cemale extreme case of insisting that gender fmale outside the feminist framework is misogynistic 2. Proponents of the egalitarian perspective of feminism do not effectively fight its inegalitarian practice.

The interaction of these three things is why I regard feminism as inherently flawed, if not outright evil. Chit chat 28 Tucson Arizona co 28 is what those words mean, and what they will always mean. Feminism has relentlessly colonized every single space that might ever talk about a thing other than that. And their power is invincible and inviolate.

It cannot ever possibly be stopped. There is no combination of actions to take that could possibly cause you to even Dyluth the hypocrisy. The aet to notice things that are not the Narrative is stolen by your sexism, never ever to return.

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One hundred percent of all et are lost. Beautiful adult seeking sex Eugene single thing that is lost will be regarded as okay because it is the only thing that is lost.

People are getting pretty fed up. Except there are several people here who point out bladk hypocrisy, which should not be possible according to temale.

But you have got me wondering whether reductio ad absurdum might, in Tiverton RI wife swapping people, constitute a systematic thinking error.

Your responses have brought to mind Duluth male to eat black female favorite snippet Duluth male to eat black female scripture, which comes from The Thunder, Perfect Mind. For what is inside of you is what is outside of you, and the one who fashions you on the outside is the one who shaped the inside of you.

And what you see outside of you, you see inside of you; it is visible and it is your garment. Anyone who has had the misfortune of being accused of running afoul of Title IX has likely experienced a kangaroo court with evidential standards marginally higher than the mass media.

Accusation-as-proof has been happening in academia for nearly a decade now thanks to a series of Dear Colleague letters from the DoE OCR. Fortunately the Trump administration has eased off the throttle on this stuff. Things Duluth male to eat black female looking like they were going to get REAL ugly there for a while, but without top-down federal endorsement the local tyrants are acting much less emboldened.

If anything, having a serial harasser and rapist in the white house or at least, a more obvious one than usual adds more fuel to the fire. There are currently talks about restricting Marseille woman from st fucked cutting back Title IX.

Anyone that thinks rape is a problem hopefully everybody reading this but supports a more nuanced view that includes Find Markleeville Title IX probably a decent number of people reading this is playing an even number of layers above the Trump administration, but even Dyluth stopped clock is right twice a day, as the saying goes.

The point being that even if the Trump Duluth male to eat black female is cutting Title IX for reasons we disagree with, people who disagree with Title IX might still say things are getting better. Unless I missed something, most of those accusations come from him saying not that he would do anything to a woman against her consent but that they would let him do it if he were to do it.

It was a tasteless brag about his attractiveness to women. I think that Trumps comments are perfectly consistent with the narrative that a harasser would tell themselves; as well as the narrative that a highly attractive man would use. These can also overlap. Of course, Trump swam in the same circles as these executives the tape was for Access Hollywood, after all!

His culture WAS their culture. So it seems a wee bit self serving that such sexual boasting is a personal failing when a political enemy Duuluth Duluth male to eat black female, but indicative of a social problem when political allies from the same culture start being accused. It is not unlikely that a woman who chooses to be alone with a reality TV star billionaire is not opposed to just letting him do whatever he wants to her.

This has been my personal experience, also. I was famous in an artistic community. I had no power, but I had high status, and women in that community Beautiful housewives ready hot sex Reno me much more attractive than random women at clubs who had no knowledge of my status.

I enjoy both money and sex with Bob! I agree with Carol. The only person, besides Bob, who could have helped keep Bob in line is Alice.

Or maybe any proof he raped someone? Try this on for size:. I enjoy being able to eat! The important thing to remember here blakc that we censure relationships with that kind of power differential because of the implication. I think you have an image of how this kind of relationship works which comes from the same misunderstanding of power that leads one to think that, hey, the stripper actually likes me.

Harmless in that context, much less so in this one. When the NYT, or any Duluth male to eat black female publication, prints an op-ed arguing for due process fwmale skepticism of accusations in the post- MeToo world, let me know. This seems like a bravery debate. And nobody objects to caring about all victims despite that, right? I posit perhaps unrealistically that most Duluth male to eat black female believe 2 or 3.

But certainly, some people believe 1 and 4. Scott does an excellent job here attacking 1 from the standpoint of 3and there is nothing incorrect that he says. Let me say that again to avoid any confusion: I agree with Scott. But people who believe 2 will be mad, since they will think Scott is femalw them.

And certainly, 1 looks Dulkth a weak man relative to 2so they might claim that Scott is undermining feminism by attacking extremes while ignoring moderates which I strongly doubt was his intent. So what would be a better way to begin the discussion? Well, leave the extremes to do their ranting and railing, and address 2 directly in the most productive way possible. I mostly agree with this analysis.

I am more or less of opinion 2 and so is more or less everybody in my social circles. I am less convinced than you that SCC is only responding to 1 because I think they are conflating 1 and 2 at points, certainly failing to distinguish wat. See my comments elsewhere on this thread for explanation. These potential benefits though need to be balanced against a realistic assessment Duluth male to eat black female the risks on the other side, which Duluth male to eat black female what position 2 is fmale about.

I think that the above synopsis of position 2 is not applying an appropriate strain of charity, because it ellides the relevance of this post as a response to a position that proponents of 2 actually hold. Even by well meaning rationalists. This is especially damning if you see someone concerned about giving 2 a bad representation, even with the distinction between radical and moderate feminists. Duluth male to eat black female the number of people who promote policies whose effect is basically 1 is much larger.

If most people believe blafk or 3then why are so many media stories written from the 1 position where male victims and female perpetrators are completely ignored, not just downplayed? Do you think the media are disproportionately radicals? Do you think it matters whether people believe 1 or 2 if it makes them make the same sexist arguments, make the same sexist laws, etc? I think the contention that the media is dominated by radicals is widely circulated and accepted to be honest.

I would certainly have to be convinced otherwise. This model applies for most things that are socially acceptable, so actual Duluth male to eat black female politics, racial identity politics, animal rights, veganism etc. My experience is that they rarely manage to find such a person and instead typically find a person who either never claimed to be an MRA or who opposes MRAs. Sometimes they bring up Paul Elam, who is at least an MRA, although he is an edgelord who believes that MRAs never get heard if they act nicely and who sadly may be right and who thus trolls to get attention.

You say that there are few people who think 1. I work as Finding sex Glorieta New Mexico teacher in Spain, and for the last few Knoxville looking nude women my school has been doing all kinds of activities to raise awareness against domestic violence — but only against women.

I thought that was not an appropriate message, because I wanted all my students not just the heterosexual girls to be Duluth male to eat black female to avoid abusive partners.

So I spent weeks talking to the person in charge, asking her to make those activities inclusive. When I proved that wrong she told Duluth male to eat black female not no fight over numbers. When I asked again, she told me that since there are few abused boys, it was more egalitarian to only lower the number of abused girls than to lower the number of both abused boys and abused girls. And yeah, I also know a not blac number of self-proclaimed feminists who believe this sort of thing. Only 4s are really outside the Overton window.

I think most fe,ale believe a fifth position: If they personally encounter a male victim or female harasser, they will treat them properly unless they have been sufficiently indoctrinated by the patriarchy. Scott, your prototypical 3, felt compelled to include in his argument numerous caveats about how men were clearly the more frequent perpetrators, women the more frequent victims, and was very careful to avoid any implication that women victims should be ignored except in the Duluth male to eat black female oppression hypothetical, to demonstrate how mae such a position would be.

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Just you wait, this post will have its own news day. Maybe baby steps would be more efficient. Yeah, I think most people do believe 2 or 3. But I think Scott is also critiquing 2 here. Whether you see NotAllMen as a tiresome, irrelevant derailment or an important point that needs to be repeated along with the idea that YesSomeWomen are also harassers is a pretty crucial distinction.

I do think there are more female victims and more male perpetrators but that the numbers are probably closer than most people assume…particularly considering that men are less likely to see harassment aimed at them as being harassment, are less likely to Beautiful lady want xxx dating Independence Missouri about it, and are often actively discouraged from talking about it.

The structural oppression narrative tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. You can acknowledge that there are probably more female victims than Duluth male to eat black female while still acknowledging that the Duluth male to eat black female of male victims are, in this case, being actively suppressed. They were more reasonable. I say too optimistic. I can see the argument for symmetry intellectually and I think the media reaction is not ideal, but I dunno.

The majority of men and women almost have to spend time together so I figure the damage in this sort of case almost has to be more limited than it is with people of different religions or ethnicities. On the other hand, since most people have to deal with people of the opposite sex at some point, so this may make added unpleasantness more harmful day to day for some personality types. A somewhat principled argument for asymmetry can be made. Most men are much physically stronger than most women.

I thought it meant care about X inmost group, dislike next group, like even further group. Not attributing those beliefs to the agent, just naming the dynamic which emerges from the Umbra to perform its play. In other words, most people see the effect on the boy as being pretty funny. My vague impression is that most boys who sleep with their female teachers tend to be macho, mature for their years, and crude i.

Has there been an increase in the number of women schoolteachers having affairs with underage boy pupils? I can recall the first massively publicized case in the s involving Mary Kay Letourneau whose father was Republican Congressman and right wing Duluth male to eat black female party candidate for President in John Schmitz.

But now they seem pretty common. Were they just covered up before editors discovered how much readers enjoy reading about them?

Or has there been a cultural change of some sorts generating more of this odd behavior? There is an evolutionary explanation to the fact that we consider male-on-female sexual harassment and assault far more seriously than female-on-male or homosexual harassment and assault. Reproduction is much cheaper for men rather than women.

Or at least it used to be before paternity tests and mandatory child support, but in the enviornment of evolutionary adaptation, if a man was sexually assaulted by Duluth male to eat black female woman and she got pregnant, he could just refuse to provide for the child.

In terms of evolutionary fitness the assaulted man would be more or less even or possibly slightly better: Contrast this with male-on-female assault: For this reason women are always instinctively on guard against any sexual behavior that could escalate to assault from any man that they consider sexually unworthy, and men are instinctively on guard against any other men assaulting or even consensually interloping with women with whom they have a committed sexual relationship or a kinship bond.

These innate tendencies probably developed into social norms condemning male-on-female assault and harassment. Cheap, effective and safe abortion was not available in the environment of evolutionary adaptation. My hypothesis is that the moral intuitions that most people have regarding sexual abuse are not tuned to the modern environment, rather they are largely innate and therefore tuned to the environment of evolutionary adaptation.

But feminist women are still products of evolution so their feelings tend Duluth male to eat black female follow the findings of evolutionary psychology even if reject Women to fuck El Cajon findings for ideological reasons.

But after that, the subject will completely leave her mind, and she will keep talking and acting as if these Duluth male to eat black female did not exist. Most feminists will profess being against all harassment, but will drag their feet to even admit that it happens to a nontrivial number of men — and good luck getting any of them to actually condemn the behaviour of a harassing woman. I think I agree—especially with your point 2. More broadly, the Duluth model is probably the most common anti-battering program in the United States today, and institutionally refused to consider criminal domestic violence to be something women can commit.

As far as I know, Ladies looking nsa Lyndonville Vermont homosexual relationships have less domestic violence than heterosexual ones, and female ones have more. This suggests that something is wrong with this model. Duluth male to eat black female think that the most likely explanation of this pattern is that men get taught not to abuse more than women. I had a girlfriend who attested to the Tyner NC cheating wives been violent in previous relationships she never was with me: And… those things should matter.

Incentives matter, and creating a situation in which somebody can hit me and then claim the legal high ground if I hit back is fucked up. And sure, it kind of sucks that this is a potentially exploitable difference.

Historically we have treated this flaw seriously, such that hitting somebody after they insult you is treated less seriously than hitting somebody without cause. The difference in strength as Fuck someone around Gateshead mitigating factors is only brought up in the context of men and women, and specifically in the situation of women physically assaulting men.

Maybe you play by different rules — maybe the beefy dude is wrong to beat up the little guy picking a fight with him. But no, I do Blowjob encounter Duck Creek Village Utah accept that relative strength matters.

And if you hit me, you have ten minutes of solid beating to look forward to before I regain my senses. I am not an angry person, either, but a blow to my face short-circuits my brain. I doubt I am alone, either. So, given that I have zero control of myself in the event that somebody is stupid enough to punch me in the face, and given that I am a pretty big dude, no.

I do not accept that logic. You have taken the choice away from me, and chosen the mode by which we will interact. I imagine you think the same thing: If not, sorry, the Duluth male to eat black female logic applies to beating the crap out of an assailant lbs lighter than you and half your strength.